tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post560994588609321809..comments2009-11-14T05:01:14.398+08:00Comments on Critical Thinking Circle: WHERE IS THE CARROT?Carmen Nhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11363093957811477103noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-15963470264974452182008-05-12T12:53:00.000+08:002008-05-12T12:53:00.000+08:00WOW! You all make me proud to have taught you! :-)...WOW! You all make me proud to have taught you! :-) Such great comments and very very passionate too! Kudos to everyone who responded and thought about the issue of race. <BR/><BR/>I have only one thing to add. I am like Sharwin and KJ in that I prefer to not think in terms of race or categorize myself as anything BUT a Malaysian for the simple fact that I am of mixed parentage and it is Carmen Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11363093957811477103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-45710618495594977682008-05-10T12:02:00.000+08:002008-05-10T12:02:00.000+08:00I cudnt hv said it better Jeannie abt ACTION & PER...I cudnt hv said it better Jeannie abt ACTION & PERCEPTION versus mere ethnic distinctions. Abt ppl not able to deny the Malaysianness PLUS Chineseness or Ibanness, Tamilness or Malayness that go with our inherent "self". <BR/><BR/>Nothing exists in a vacuum. To me nationality and ethnicity are the two legs that carry our entire life from day one to the day we expire. Ask any adopted person how heSarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16844161526297523161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-14201144872150132402008-05-09T19:48:00.000+08:002008-05-09T19:48:00.000+08:00Jeannie I would go with what said by Farish Noor. ...Jeannie I would go with what said by Farish Noor. "There is only and its the human race". I would stick to it so that I will be neutral.Mc Chaozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083006701089564636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-89540224814344227092008-05-09T11:18:00.000+08:002008-05-09T11:18:00.000+08:00great thought u have there. i went thru it briefly...great thought u have there. i went thru it briefly. in cc now, no time to think of a reply. have to wait till sem start la.. :(KahJoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07133952845079019664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-19886994529900453172008-05-09T00:51:00.000+08:002008-05-09T00:51:00.000+08:00Sharwin, just by saying that we are all Malaysians...Sharwin, just by saying that we are all Malaysians could not change the balanced of the races. I bet everyone you ask will tell you they are Malaysians but you can still see the differences in terms of economics and politics between races. The root problem here is not the concept of races as stated by KJ (that races is to show superiority) because the concept of races is something neutral. It is jeanniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00147579144555319248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-40460894716012281602008-05-08T23:48:00.000+08:002008-05-08T23:48:00.000+08:00Jeannie what you are saying is correct but i do h...Jeannie what you are saying is correct but i do have to say that your points will only be encountable in a world where there are a majority of ppl who are good thinkers or proud to say lke us. But the fact is that we are in Malaysia and I believe that what are we non- Malays have to do to fit in is to Be only Malaysians. The moment you put a word dehind it, that clearly shows that we are apart.Mc Chaozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083006701089564636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-80908010717263766632008-05-03T23:47:00.000+08:002008-05-03T23:47:00.000+08:00Let me answer your questions. I hope I did not mis...Let me answer your questions. I hope I did not miss out anything.<BR/><BR/>KJ:why want to be chinese when you can be a malaysian? why still wan to classify ourselves differently? malays, indian or any other "races" are not of a different species. they are the same.<BR/><BR/>Answer: Why want to be Chinese when I can be Malaysian? I did not say I'm not a Malaysian when I'm a Chinese. I am both. As jeanniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00147579144555319248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-62468326154009543142008-05-03T23:20:00.000+08:002008-05-03T23:20:00.000+08:00let me ask a question ya. why you want to be known...let me ask a question ya. why you want to be known as chinese? is being chinese different genetically from all other humans? why want to divide according to race? the concept of race in the beginning is a false concept created by the western colonialist.<BR/><BR/>my argument is the same here. why want to be chinese when you can be a malaysian? why still wan to classify ourselves differently? KahJoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07133952845079019664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-1675297710587086762008-05-03T17:48:00.000+08:002008-05-03T17:48:00.000+08:00Dear Vivien and KJ,I can only say I am a Malaysian...Dear Vivien and KJ,<BR/>I can only say I am a Malaysian Chinese. I don't think you can say that if you are a Malaysian then you are not a Chinese because it is a fact you are still a Chinese no matter how bad your Chinese may be. Or even how those Chinese in China and Taiwan might laugh at you. I am STILL a Chinese...a MALAYSIAN CHINESE. I am a MALAYSIAN and also a CHINESE. It's a fact I couldn'tjeanniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00147579144555319248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-21633974536604862372008-05-03T11:34:00.000+08:002008-05-03T11:34:00.000+08:00"to the chinese ppl especially. u think u proud to..."to the chinese ppl especially. u think u proud to call urself chinese ar? try go china and tell them u're chinese lah. they'll laugh at you. face the fact. you're no longer chinese. you're malaysian. pls la.."<BR/>from KJ.<BR/><BR/>yup,that part i agree with you. bcoz my friends who's studying in china and even taiwan can prove that.<BR/><BR/>er...that's all, don't wanna comment more..ViViEnNehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07057525041953304334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-75084838996366790702008-04-29T13:23:00.000+08:002008-04-29T13:23:00.000+08:00First thing, to apologise for the many typo errors...First thing, to apologise for the many typo errors in last posting- exam week never a good time to post lengthy pieces i guess. But as u know, opposition party is always needed in any discussion, esp on vernacular edu so i cudnt resist : ) <BR/><BR/>But my misused word needs to be highlighted : to "twirl" (my intended word) is to rotate in circles as in folk-dancing, not "swirl"! <BR/><BR/>With Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16844161526297523161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-63277285699519769782008-04-28T19:54:00.000+08:002008-04-28T19:54:00.000+08:00Adoi !! Sakitnye komen dr carmen.yay! can't wait t...Adoi !! Sakitnye komen dr carmen.<BR/><BR/>yay! can't wait to discuss both topics.<BR/><BR/>i think all of us should take islamic studies. Islam is one religion that is being misunderstood very badly nowadays. I can't stand it when ppl put down Islam. Show some respect la. By studying about Islam, one can understand it better and be more tolerant towards it.<BR/><BR/>another thing i cant stand isKahJoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07133952845079019664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-59111215552148824222008-04-28T12:21:00.000+08:002008-04-28T12:21:00.000+08:00Woi KJ! Ape lah ni.... nak ad hominem attack Sharw...Woi KJ! Ape lah ni.... nak ad hominem attack Sharwin tentang AW skills dia.... teruk lah ko... jangan lah buat begitu dalam blog! Semua orang boleh nampak lah... tak ada netiquette ke??? <BR/><BR/>On another note, I have to say, Sharwin, you write BM like a bona fide Utusan Malaysia journalist in the making! ahahhahahaha.... ok ok.... I meant... Msiakini BM version!! :-) <BR/><BR/>All excellent Carmen Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11363093957811477103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-90869759183399801152008-04-28T12:06:00.000+08:002008-04-28T12:06:00.000+08:00I'm from a national primary school and there's no ...I'm from a national primary school and there's no racist at tat time in school. Every students can cope with each other very well regardless of the different ethnics among us. The school is still ok..not too islamic as described. The only problem is the lack of Chinese and Tamil lessons for those who might want to take the subjects. <BR/><BR/>But one thing I realised later as I took a part time jeanniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00147579144555319248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-37306844632618789062008-04-27T12:01:00.000+08:002008-04-27T12:01:00.000+08:00next time write ler properly. this is the exact re...next time write ler properly. this is the exact reason why ur academic writing marks suffer. u don't get ur point across loud and clear. try not to use language that only u can understand. <BR/><BR/>blogging is a good practice to improve your writing.KahJoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07133952845079019664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-6357329041005347952008-04-27T08:41:00.000+08:002008-04-27T08:41:00.000+08:00My language cna only be understood by the heavenly...My language cna only be understood by the heavenly souls. Hahahah! Tarak apa-apa kj, its like an experssion oni.Mc Chaozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083006701089564636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-9025299619619385852008-04-25T14:40:00.000+08:002008-04-25T14:40:00.000+08:00eh brader, u faham apa i komen ke tak ni? kalo tak...eh brader, u faham apa i komen ke tak ni? kalo tak faham, tanya dulu. its a rhetoric to tony's indecision lah. duhhh !!<BR/><BR/>the first part of ur comment. "i point for me." what's that? tak faham larKahJoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07133952845079019664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-65586652827412674052008-04-25T05:03:00.000+08:002008-04-25T05:03:00.000+08:00Yeah sarah! i point for me. Apa dont send children...Yeah sarah! i point for me. Apa dont send children to school kj? U kan kata nak ganti Hissamuddin? hahaha.Mc Chaozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083006701089564636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-45459120387944440372008-04-24T18:53:00.000+08:002008-04-24T18:53:00.000+08:00if this cannot and that cannot..then what?so how n...if this cannot and that cannot..then what?<BR/><BR/>so how now? don't send the child to school ar?<BR/><BR/>lolzKahJoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07133952845079019664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-36294307669733098552008-04-24T16:25:00.000+08:002008-04-24T16:25:00.000+08:00Apa khabar semua! Thot I'll throw in my pandangan ...Apa khabar semua! Thot I'll throw in my pandangan alternatif plus post Tony Pua's dilemma with regards to choice of sch 4his daughter (Part 2 of National vs Chinese Schs)<BR/><BR/>I was a national schooler from way back then. Though it wasnt BBGS or MGS or Convent Bkt Nanas, my primary "alma mater" was not far behind, I'd say the majority were Chinese girls, abt 30% Malays and Indians, those wereSarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16844161526297523161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-39438644094829094042008-04-23T16:48:00.000+08:002008-04-23T16:48:00.000+08:00fuhlamak sharwin, itu satu komentar yg sungguh heb...fuhlamak sharwin, itu satu komentar yg sungguh hebat. tapi saudara harus ingat. agama dan bahasa itu lain. saya perhati kamu telah mencampur adukkan keduanya dalam komen saudara.KahJoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07133952845079019664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-6374821242821981872008-04-23T03:57:00.000+08:002008-04-23T03:57:00.000+08:00Yeah. Im back. Im doing this so that I can boost m...Yeah. Im back. Im doing this so that I can boost my confidence. <BR/><BR/>Ok. Just because we are talking about malaysia races and schools, let me put my comment in Bahasa Malaysia. I can speak with the nothern accent, I think some of them know this. Hehehe. Jom kita sembang!<BR/><BR/>Perkara pertama yang ingin dibincangkan oleh saya adalah berkatian "parti kaum harus menjaga kaum masing-masing."Mc Chaozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09083006701089564636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-71729433668903374452008-04-21T01:01:00.000+08:002008-04-21T01:01:00.000+08:00paiseh..i forgot something. lolz.on national schoo...paiseh..i forgot something. lolz.<BR/><BR/>on national schools being too Islamic nowadays. actually i don't feel any of that sentiment. whats wrong with having doas during assemblies? it just a short prayer session only what? cannot bare meh? the chinese and indians always demand for religious tolerance. look at yourself first. complaining about too much doas. come on lah. get real.<BR/><BR/>KahJoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07133952845079019664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-13767791642468573802008-04-21T00:46:00.000+08:002008-04-21T00:46:00.000+08:00finally..i'm back in PJ and can reply d.so here go...finally..i'm back in PJ and can reply d.<BR/><BR/>so here goes..<BR/><BR/>if i'm the Education Minister, i'll abolish all chinese and tamil schools. if those parents bising that their children have a right to learn their mother tongue and culture, i'll tell them to send their children to national schools and learn the language and culture there. Learn the culture of malaysia. learn how to be a KahJoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07133952845079019664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5545905448611409367.post-10057104851139734112008-04-15T15:00:00.000+08:002008-04-15T15:00:00.000+08:00Oh, just another thing to add. My baby brother gre...Oh, just another thing to add. My baby brother grew up in a Chinese primary school and switched to a national school in Form 1. He has always been very racist, thanks to my mum who is always pumping racial sentiments in him, but I believe it was also the company he was mixing. After switching to a national school, he has more opportunities to interact with more Malay and Indian friends and I feellinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09203899041025758554noreply@blogger.com